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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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from Australia for science and reason

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yuria hosts Richard Saunders and Stefan

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Richard Richard oh my goodness I can't

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believe where we are right now we're in

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lockdown Stefan you're in your studio

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I'm in the skeptic zone studios but the

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big news is of course this is show 600

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600 600 the lockdown at the lockdown

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edition wow that's incredible how much

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is that in Arabic numerals I hate to

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think probably about 600 600 that's a

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long time in anyone's books it's almost

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12 years of the skeptic zone you

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remember 12 years ago when we're in your

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little studio recording the very first

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yeah well house it's been it's been a

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long time it has been a long time but

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isn't the world a strange place at the

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moment how are you doing in the lockdown

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by the way it's become quite an

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interesting time I guess hasn't it like

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everyone's just been shaken into some

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sort of new level of understanding of

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what's going on in the world or they

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trying to make sense of it they're

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trying to make sense of it yeah you have

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to try and think it all through like how

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did that happen a new stuffed-up and why

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is this happening and then people start

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getting conspiracy theories oh it's all

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because it's it's it's it seems like

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that at times and speaking of conspiracy

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theories and crazy theories in that yes

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and that sort of thing we're gonna be

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out certainly having a look at those

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today and over the next few weeks on the

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skeptic zone in the 600 episode of

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course how appropriate how apt I'm sure

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I'm sure Nostradamus foresaw this many

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years ago oh yes we could talk about

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this all day the RSS feed is just going

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ballistic at the moment it's like an RSS

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epochal even heard that term for a while

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okay coming up on the show we've got a

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grain of salt with Iran so give he's

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going to be talking about the new

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skeptics Legal Defense Fund oh that's a

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nice one yeah skeptics looking out for

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skeptics we've got talking about

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conspiracy theories and crazy stuff

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we've got how medical intuitive czar

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claiming to protect you against

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coronavirus by manipulating your DNA or

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something like that shut up and take my

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oh my gosh that's terrible that sounds a

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bit dodgy to me following that it's the

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ongoing series we have logical fallacies

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and this week Michelle's going to look

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at the argument from ignorance argument

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from the perspective of ignorance that's

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a good one yeah that's a very good one

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that's a very good run followed by the

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book of Tim with Tim Mendham water

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divining part three and we're going to

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end today's episode with tips and advice

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and viewing recommendations for the lock

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down from Maynard you have always had

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the best line up its variety you've got

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you cover every base that's why the

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skeptics are still going at 600 episodes

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it must be some reason right this new

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hero we're living in Stefan it's crazy I

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mean all of us have to we're all

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exploring new ways to communicate and

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connect aren't we yeah that's right but

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audience laughs so we must have sub

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level of credibility here at speaking of

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the first segment off the ranked grain

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I believe you're still playing the intro

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theme grain of salt

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you wrote you that of course you still

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you I know we haven't caught up for a

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while I've been in isolation and stuff

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and I've been talking to my Legal

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Defense Fund and the royalties have just

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built up and up and up and up and up and

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rial at the moment so if you could try

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and line that up for me just so I can

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square the books you know just settle

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things we could just move on I think

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that's what we should do Stefan why

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don't you and I look into that and but

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also you wrote the the theme and today

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on the show I'm playing the original

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rich orchestral theme hero Kestrel one

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the one that was all star trekky and

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stuff yeah well then at the Star Trek oh

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like off into space and all that sort of

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was lovely Richard it's great to catch I

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conferencing we'll have to come up with

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some sort of a way that humans can

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interact in a physical way after this

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with something a virtual touchy-feely

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suit rubber suit that we can wear I

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think a rubber rubber would be the best

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way to get started an electrically

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stimulated rubber I think we can all

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talk to each other then fully we could

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embrace it

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side more okay let's go 600 let's go

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let's all take this with a grain of salt

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seas around sigit yes it's a grain of

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salt with it runs again joining me now

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on the line all the way from Sydney

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Australia it's a run so give hello

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Richard how are you going actually I'm

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not doing too bad amongst all this

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craziness and make sure I get out every

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day I load up my iPod with the Skeptical

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podcasts but how is this craziness

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affecting you well it's it's a little

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bit difficult obviously as it is for

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everyone but as somebody as a friend of

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mine said I don't want to brag but I've

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been avoiding people long before this

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pandemic so it's not too bad but it is

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obviously limiting you know it's you

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know there's all kinds of thing or

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people that we want to see and things we

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want to do and we can't but it's it's

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one it's some the kind of thing that the

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entire world is dealing with at the

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moment and we are very fortunate that we

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have running water and we have medical

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services and we have we have the ability

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to isolate ourselves with a lot of the

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world can't do that and I think that's

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something that we in the richer

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countries need to remember that there

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are countries where you can't isolate

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yourself you cannot go to work because

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if you don't go to work there's no money

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for food that very night so so you know

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it's a little bit difficult like you can

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hear that my voice is a little bit

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hoarse and that's because I've been on

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online meetings all day and the volume

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is a little bit higher in online

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meetings but you know what

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it is absolutely literally

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firstworldproblems it certainly is and

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we think about friends in places like

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India where it's simply not an option to

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stay home and keep washing your hands

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probably don't you might not have

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running water yeah absolutely yeah yeah

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it's something we absolutely should keep

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scheme of things it looks like it looks

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chance you know we were not sure yet but

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dodged a bullet here so we'll see it's

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happened in Singapore mm-hmm yeah we'll

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just have to wait and see well yes a lot

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years claim to be able to see the future

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but in this case I don't think anybody

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can really see the future but let's talk

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about something else now a week or two

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Harvey who was sued by by a con man who

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was selling illegal weight-loss products

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that of course we're not working they

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were complete quackery but Ken lodged a

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complaint against this con man and and

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as a result there's this common sued

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sued Ken for defamation

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now that case was not going anywhere but

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Ken was going to be quite significant

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out of pocket and Australia skeptics

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arranged a fundraising campaign which

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basically covered all of Ken's legal

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costs and of course that was a great

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success for two reasons first of all

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because Ken was able to maintain his

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position but also because it sent a very

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strong message to quacks out there that

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the skeptical community stands behind it

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behind its own and that it's not so easy

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to silence us then jump forward to 2017

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and wait hammies was think most of your

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listeners will know who Bret breed her

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pretty Hermes is so she's former

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naturopath who's unfortunately found

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that her profession was complete

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profession with quite significant cost

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child and in a very big dog and does a

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master does a masters a PhD in has a

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master's degree now working on a PhD in

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actual science mm-hmm

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called naturopathic Diaries about

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experience and about naturopathy in

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general and for her efforts she was sued

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by a naturopath an American naturopath

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for defamation now initially we didn't

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know much about it she's but she started

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to defend herself she was in the process

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Australia for a conference yes and then

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I suggested that maybe would be a good

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idea for us because we have the

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experience to arrange a defense fund for

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her a fundraising campaign for her and

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from that we obviously that expanded

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skeptics were the main organizers but

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this was a very large coordinated effort

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this was nothing like the Ken Harvey one

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which was completely local this was

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global it was many many skeptical groups

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participated and we raised the funds to

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defend Britt which was at the time was

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estimated at fifty thousand euros about

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80,000 Australian dollars by the

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exchange rate of the time mm-hmm

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we raised that in eight days yes I'm

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mentioning all of this story because it

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really is important to what what comes

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next so Britt has recently won her case

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original funds requested in Vale so we

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said we'll donate the funds to skeptics

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Legal Defense Fund now at the time we

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didn't know what that was going to look

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like but it's just an idea that somebody

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came up with and we thought that might

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be a good idea we it was not the only

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option

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once Britt is now on our case and with

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the amount remaining after covering all

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of her costs the very last cent

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it's about 32,000 years that I remain in

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the bank and we're ready to move on to

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the next step so I've contacted several

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people who have experience with legal

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situations related to their to their

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skeptical activism which is Steve dr.

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Steven novella Simon Singh and Britt

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Hermes conducted three of them and asked

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them whether they would be willing to

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participate in founding this kind of

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organization and they were and for this

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yeah they were very happy to and for the

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past few months I would say probably

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about eight or nine months now we've

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been working on this and now it's you

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know we've we've got quite a fair idea

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of what it is that we want to achieve

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and the first step was for us to

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establish a website it's skeptics

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legal-defense organ you can spell

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Defense the American Way on the right

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way the right way so SRC and both of

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them will work and what we have at the

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moment is a single page where we explain

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what's going on and we ask for

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volunteers in various various things the

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main things we need right now is lawyers

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we need lawyers in various areas across

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the world and the idea is that these we

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need to at the moment it's not an

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organization at the moment it's it's

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several people who are working on

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something and there's some ideas and

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principles all of which are listed in

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this this website skeptics little

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defense not org but we don't have a

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culture a formal structure and a legal

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legal form formal situation yet so we're

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looking at doing that we're looking at

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for example one of the things we need to

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do is decide what the jurisdiction will

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be where this kind of organization is

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raised is established we need to decide

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who will be you know what kind of form

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or governance structure there will be

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the world the way there will be a

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committee roles within the committee you

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know all of these things are important

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especially when managing funds having

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said that I want to emphasize

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something very important mm-hmm this

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fund is not primarily about doing this

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thing of you know of raising funds for

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legal defense

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this one is primarily about defending

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skeptics but not necessarily financially

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mm-hmm so for example one of the main

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things that we see this organization is

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doing is creating a hub for legal

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information about how not to get sued

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yes that's very important and it will be

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you know there's some general rules that

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will apply almost everywhere but there

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are rules that will apply differently

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across countries and we want to make

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sure that skeptics everywhere have this

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information available to them and

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they're able to access it and they say

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you know just just do the right thing

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and while still maintaining their

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skeptical activism make sure that

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they're not sued and also be confident

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that if somebody threatens them that

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they're in a position to say no I know

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what I'm doing I'm within my rights

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because here's what it says so so that

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would be a very void I would say that

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would probably be the main thing that we

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will provide to the community mm-hmm but

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there's other things that we we could do

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such as for example we could provide

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legal advice we've had quite a few

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lawyers response so this this website

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was promoted on skeptic sky just last

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week and what we had as a result is

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quite an influx of lawyers from many

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places around the world who are willing

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to help so maybe they will you know some

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initial legal advice could be something

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that could be provided you know what do

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you do do you write a letter do you how

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do you do what what do you do now now

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that somebody sent you a letter

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threatening with a lawsuit what do you

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do yeah additionally maybe we could find

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some seed funding for mounting a defense

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or not financing the entire defense but

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just a bit of seed funding or funding

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for initial legal advice in case it

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can't it can if it can't be provided for

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free yeah but this whole concept of

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providing good advice to begin with to

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stop someone like or me for example

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saying something unwise and suddenly

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finding there's somebody fronting up

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with a lawsuit yeah yeah we all should

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have

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that absolutely I mean we shouldn't stop

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doing what we're doing but we need to be

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careful yes absolutely

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look you can't guarantee that you won't

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be sued because anybody can sue but you

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can actually guarantee that oh not maybe

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not guarantee but you can increase the

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chances quite dramatically that any loss

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that will go nowhere you know and that's

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the important thing you need to make

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sure that you're not afraid of being

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sued because not because you can't be

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sued anybody can be sued if they're

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publicly active but that you really know

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that you have the law on your side in

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terms of deformation in particular there

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are additional things like for example

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one of the things that is very common in

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various kinds of quackery is harassment

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of skeptics through either Freedom of

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Information requests known as FOIA in

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American in the United States there are

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some American skeptics who have been

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basically there have been silenced by

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these things because they have to spend

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so much time dealing with Freedom of

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Information requests that they don't

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have time for their actual work very

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often that work is research so I won't

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no mention in names but there is

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somebody who is involved with this

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process who has basically been forced to

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go silent because he couldn't afford at

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the time anymore to deal with all the

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all the harassment there could be

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employer or workplace complaints that

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people will have to face and you know we

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might need to help them with these kind

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of things and there could be other kinds

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of public attacks such as daxing so

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basically the idea is think Steve Steve

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novella said it better than anybody else

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he said that ultimately we hope to be

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something akin to the ACLU the American

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Civil Liberties Union but for skeptics

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so that's that's what we aim to be again

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it's not the same scale as the ACLU but

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it is something that's the model that we

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want to follow it's it's a wonderful

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undertaking it really is it's it's one

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of the best

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things I've ever seen come out of

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skepticism but we must be very clear

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about this it's not a green light for

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people to go out and say stupid things

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and think it's okay the skeptic will

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protect me it is absolutely not a green

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light and in fact one of the principles

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that we've put in place we said that the

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board of or the or whatever I mean

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presumably the board of the fund or the

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fund of the foundation but definitely

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whatever sub or you know organization

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within that foundation that will be

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deciding on who gets what will be able

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to reject claims and in particular

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obviously anybody who's been

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particularly imprudent you know cannot

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expect to be supported yeah yeah yeah

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that that's a fair call and hopefully

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they will learn not to get in that

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position in the first place

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now what's that website if people want

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to check it out or indeed if they want

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to help

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it is skeptics legal defense skeptics is

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spelt with a k' of course and

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skeptically skeptics legal defense with

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other and SRS and or c.org

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right and I'll certainly link to that in

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this week's show notes one more thing I

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would probably like to add is that I

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mentioned lawyers as volunteers that we

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want but we also want volunteers in

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other areas in particular fundraising or

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market marketing especially marketing on

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social media because that will become

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very important that it will come later

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but it is you know if somebody some of

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your listeners are interested then of

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course we would love to hear from them

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there is a link in there on that page to

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an email that they could send and we

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will be in touch good news good news

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well around scale thank you very much

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for bringing us up-to-date on that and

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thank you very much for being part of

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the sceptic zone for well over a decade

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now yeah pretty much well six hundred

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episodes yeah it's a congratulation

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Richard you've you're doing amazingly

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well it's really it's really quite a

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testament to your not just you skeptical

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chops but also a determination to remain

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active when we know that there's been

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difficulties along the way and the

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u-turns

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you know if you

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and everybody has those and and

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professional and personal and the fact

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that you've got to show 600 is really

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quite amazing and I congratulate you on

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it thanks very much I appreciate that

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but for now all the way from Sydney

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Australia Iran so give thank you very

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congratulations to the sceptic zone on

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making it to 600 episodes it really is

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600 episodes is such a long time just

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think when the show started Alice hadn't

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even been born yet let's pretend I do

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you know that yes still just think of

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all the ways the skeptical world has

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changed over the course of those six

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hundred episodes

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yeah and how the kind of pseudoscience

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we face has lost and changed in that

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time definitely it feels like now more

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than ever good solid skepticism is what

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we really need so keep up the good work

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Richard and congratulations on show 600

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from skeptics with a k' hello skeptics

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own listeners congratulations to the

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skeptic zone and Richard Saunders for

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number six zero zero

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now last week on the show you might

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remember I put a call out for all of you

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to keep your eyes open for various wu

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merchants claiming to cure to detect to

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treat the cater for covert nineteen

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there are thousands of people around the

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world who genuinely think they have

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magical superpowers to be blunt psychic

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healing energy gifts from god or the

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angels or the universal whatever they

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think it is so i'm not surprised that

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you will find and we will find many

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examples of people thinking they can

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treat cure detect covert 19 and I was

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contacted just the other day by

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journalist Gary Nunn who's writing a

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book about psychics at the moment to

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comment on a story about so-called

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medical intuitive medical intuitive

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these are people who think they can

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sense your illnesses using energy make

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of that what you will and Gary has

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produced the following report and you

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can find it at viscom with a link in

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the medical intuitive's promising to

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protect your DNA against coronavirus by

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gary none published on the 30th of march

551
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2020 and this will include some little

552
00:23:50,020 --> 00:23:47,960
side comments by me just before large

553
00:23:52,510 --> 00:23:50,030
gatherings were banned due to corona

554
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virus but after it hit the news I

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attended a mind/body/spirit convention

556
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in Sydney as expected it was full of

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clairvoyance and generalist psychics but

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there were also a lot of people

559
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describing themselves as medical

560
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:08,930
intuitive's and the first note from me

561
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is that some weeks ago we made the

562
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decision at Australian sceptics and

563
00:24:18,610 --> 00:24:16,640
skeptics and podcast not to attend the

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mind-body-spirit festival the mind/body

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Wilde festival as a statement due to the

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fact that we feared a high percentage of

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the people attending would be anti

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vaccinated and it was simply a little

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bit risky for us to go we read on

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according to various sources so-called

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medical intuition involves reading and

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gathering energetic information from the

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body in order to heal it

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one such practitioner and speaker at the

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convention was 60 year old Julie Lewin

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who told the crowds that she could

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create the perfect DNA to protect you

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00:25:02,020 --> 00:24:59,660
from coronavirus Julie would later

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00:25:04,900 --> 00:25:02,030
explain to me that scientific evidence

580
00:25:06,850 --> 00:25:04,910
just isn't her thing it doesn't matter

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to me whether it's scientifically proven

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00:25:13,210 --> 00:25:10,220
to be true she asserted it's that I

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00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:13,220
believe it to be true for the record I'm

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00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:15,410
no psychic groupie I'm writing a book

585
00:25:21,370 --> 00:25:18,650
examining psychics unchecked power so

586
00:25:24,580 --> 00:25:21,380
this was research but I was intrigued by

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00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:24,590
him Julie's grand claim and called her

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at home in Queensland to find out more I

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feel and see inside people's bodies

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Julie told me when asked how she

591
00:25:37,870 --> 00:25:35,480
operates as a medical intuitive a movie

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in my mind plays so I can see what's

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00:25:41,650 --> 00:25:40,670
happening julie has been doing this work

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00:25:45,130 --> 00:25:41,660
since she was 25

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00:25:48,970 --> 00:25:45,140
when a psychic told her she had a gift

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and a side note from me a common ploy

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used by psychics is to tell their

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sitters that they too have psychic power

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00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:00,050
it's called the psychic credit let me

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see dear yes yes you if the cards are

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telling me all the Ace of Wands ah did

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00:26:07,810 --> 00:26:05,750
you know that you're a little bit

603
00:26:09,580 --> 00:26:07,820
psychic - you have psychic potential

604
00:26:12,670 --> 00:26:09,590
this sort of thing so that's hardly

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00:26:14,410 --> 00:26:12,680
surprising we read on prior to that she

606
00:26:17,620 --> 00:26:14,420
was in corporate life and among other

607
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:17,630
things rent her own secretarial business

608
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:20,090
these days she makes a living by running

609
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retreats where she teaches her methods

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for nine hundred and ninety seven

611
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:27,530
dollars Australian she believes everyone

612
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has intuition and can learn the

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00:26:34,780 --> 00:26:32,510
techniques to heal themselves medical

614
00:26:37,330 --> 00:26:34,790
intuitive's genuinely believe they have

615
00:26:39,130 --> 00:26:37,340
a magical gift says Richard Saunders the

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former president of Australian skeptics

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00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:42,230
it's largely to do with the constant

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positive enforcement they get from

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clients who are believers to begin with

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they surround themselves in a bubble of

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people who believe the same things in

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better times these people slip under the

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radar but in times of national emergency

624
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:00,650
they really should be scrutinized named

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00:27:08,950 --> 00:27:03,650
and shamed and a little aside from me

626
00:27:11,050 --> 00:27:08,960
what I was getting at there was like the

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people who visits naturopaths and

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psychics and medical intuitive's and

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tarot readers and all the rest of it

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they normally are believers to begin

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with when they turn up at the door and

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they don't know the techniques of cold

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reading and the psychology involved so

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they often will report back to the

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psychic or the intuitive that they feel

636
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:34,190
better and so so the intuitive in this

637
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:35,810
case gets this constant positive

638
00:27:40,330 --> 00:27:38,210
reinforcement so it's no surprise that

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00:27:43,150 --> 00:27:40,340
they really truly believe they have

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00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:43,160
magical powers we read on trained

641
00:27:49,210 --> 00:27:45,770
doctors aren't having it either dr. Brad

642
00:27:52,410 --> 00:27:49,220
Makai a Sydney GP and former host of the

643
00:27:55,090 --> 00:27:52,420
TV show embarrassing bodies told vice

644
00:27:58,299 --> 00:27:55,100
hearing people talk about medical into

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00:28:01,090 --> 00:27:58,309
reminds us how important it is to get a

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00:28:03,519 --> 00:28:01,100
formal education julie has no formal

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00:28:05,950 --> 00:28:03,529
medical qualifications so how can she

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00:28:09,370 --> 00:28:05,960
claim to create immunity from

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00:28:11,980 --> 00:28:09,380
coronavirus well she says it's to do

650
00:28:14,590 --> 00:28:11,990
with something called codons the inside

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00:28:18,700 --> 00:28:14,600
spiral of DNA with small dashes coming

652
00:28:21,039 --> 00:28:18,710
out from inside the DNA look she adds I

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don't understand the science of it too

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00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:23,179
much but it's like a light switch

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turning on and off the one thing I don't

656
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:28,850
do is really get into the science of

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00:28:34,149 --> 00:28:31,330
stuff I use my intuition to do the

658
00:28:37,570 --> 00:28:34,159
visualization because then I can get an

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outcome another aside from me standard

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00:28:42,190 --> 00:28:39,230
stuff somebody who knows a little bit of

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00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:42,200
science or a few scientific words just

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enough to sound semi credible or

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completely credible I should say to her

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00:28:53,470 --> 00:28:50,990
clients and she really doesn't know what

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00:28:56,470 --> 00:28:53,480
she's talking about the road to hell is

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00:28:59,740 --> 00:28:56,480
indeed paved with good intentions we

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00:29:03,009 --> 00:28:59,750
read on according to Julie humans have

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00:29:05,799 --> 00:29:03,019
20 codons switched on and four that are

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00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:05,809
switched off and to create immunity from

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00:29:11,379 --> 00:29:08,330
coronavirus we need to have all 24

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00:29:12,970 --> 00:29:11,389
switched on how do we do that I don't

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00:29:15,669 --> 00:29:12,980
feel comfortable giving you the

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00:29:18,519 --> 00:29:15,679
technique but it's a visualization

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00:29:21,159 --> 00:29:18,529
process where basically you're turning

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00:29:23,139 --> 00:29:21,169
them on she says but it's better they

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00:29:25,119 --> 00:29:23,149
listen to my voice guiding them through

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00:29:29,940 --> 00:29:25,129
that process than seeing it written down

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00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:29,950
and another aside from me oh good grief

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00:29:37,629 --> 00:29:34,850
we read on I checked the codons form a

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00:29:40,389 --> 00:29:37,639
unit of genetic code in DNA humans have

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00:29:43,450 --> 00:29:40,399
20 different amino acids and 64 possible

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00:29:47,230 --> 00:29:43,460
codons Julie says she regularly turns on

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00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:47,240
all 24 of her own codons through

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00:29:51,310 --> 00:29:49,490
visualization techniques that help her

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00:29:54,249 --> 00:29:51,320
recover faster from conditions like

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00:29:56,710 --> 00:29:54,259
ammonia it's like when I was flying to

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00:29:58,570 --> 00:29:56,720
Sydney for that event she tells me I

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00:30:00,810 --> 00:29:58,580
noticed two currents weren't quite

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00:30:06,430 --> 00:30:00,820
switched on so I switched them on

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00:30:08,590 --> 00:30:06,440
another note from me oh good grief we

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00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:08,600
read on I asked

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00:30:14,830 --> 00:30:12,130
dr. Brad McCoy for his thoughts a

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00:30:17,770 --> 00:30:14,840
visualization process might earn you

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00:30:20,770 --> 00:30:17,780
high points on a Scrabble board he says

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00:30:23,710 --> 00:30:20,780
but isn't going to switch your codons on

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00:30:26,410 --> 00:30:23,720
or off in addition to her claims that

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00:30:30,220 --> 00:30:26,420
she can switch codons on or off for her

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00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:30,230
clients Julie also advises them to keep

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00:30:38,890 --> 00:30:33,770
out of polarity when I asked her what

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00:30:42,190 --> 00:30:38,900
polarity is she says it's like Hitler he

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00:30:45,370 --> 00:30:42,200
polarized people they loved him or hated

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00:30:48,460 --> 00:30:45,380
him keeping out of polarity is keeping

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00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:48,470
your bodies charged Zen not too high or

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00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:51,170
low could this all be the placebo effect

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00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:55,250
I asked her absolutely she responds I

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00:30:59,680 --> 00:30:57,530
think our mind is actually the root of

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00:31:02,800 --> 00:30:59,690
many things to find out if the

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00:31:06,550 --> 00:31:02,810
techniques differ on coronavirus I also

709
00:31:09,550 --> 00:31:06,560
spoke to Catherine Kerrigan of Atlanta

710
00:31:11,860 --> 00:31:09,560
Georgia in the u.s. catherine describes

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00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:11,870
herself as a medical intuitive healer

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00:31:17,380 --> 00:31:15,890
and says she uses her intuitive gifts to

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00:31:20,830 --> 00:31:17,390
read what's happening in your body

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00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:20,840
energy system emotion mind and soul like

715
00:31:26,410 --> 00:31:22,970
Julie Catherine claims to be able to

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00:31:28,420 --> 00:31:26,420
help with immunity against kovat 19 I

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00:31:30,340 --> 00:31:28,430
can help you understand what will make

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00:31:33,730 --> 00:31:30,350
you strong enough to survive she

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00:31:36,580 --> 00:31:33,740
explains listing 24 ways she boosts her

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00:31:39,210 --> 00:31:36,590
clients immune systems naturally which

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00:31:41,500 --> 00:31:39,220
include stop using the microwave

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00:31:44,890 --> 00:31:41,510
cultivate positive emotions through

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00:31:47,980 --> 00:31:44,900
regular prayer and consider liquid

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00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:47,990
silver rather than antibiotics catherine

725
00:31:54,820 --> 00:31:51,650
guides our her angels who tell me we are

726
00:31:57,550 --> 00:31:54,830
living through a very dangerous time so

727
00:31:59,560 --> 00:31:57,560
who exactly is going to the likes of

728
00:32:02,170 --> 00:31:59,570
Julianne Catherine for their unproven

729
00:32:04,710 --> 00:32:02,180
claims and why Julie put me in touch

730
00:32:07,030 --> 00:32:04,720
with a client 53 year-old Louise Kelly

731
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Louise is a psychotherapist from

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00:32:12,370 --> 00:32:09,830
Victoria Australia when her husband owl

733
00:32:15,550 --> 00:32:12,380
fell from the House roof four years ago

734
00:32:18,970 --> 00:32:15,560
he catapulted face-first onto concrete

735
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:18,980
and had seven fractures in his spine

736
00:32:25,779 --> 00:32:22,610
skull nose and jaw he also had whiplash

737
00:32:28,690 --> 00:32:25,789
from the spinal cord from the ambulance

738
00:32:30,970 --> 00:32:28,700
Louise called Julie she said to

739
00:32:31,419 --> 00:32:30,980
channeled green emerald light through

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00:32:34,779 --> 00:32:31,429
him

741
00:32:37,739 --> 00:32:34,789
Louise tells me with one hand holding

742
00:32:41,769 --> 00:32:37,749
the phone the other cradled his head and

743
00:32:44,730 --> 00:32:41,779
worked on him she says while Julie

744
00:32:47,230 --> 00:32:44,740
claimed to be doing the same by remote

745
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:47,240
al was in a neck brace for eight weeks

746
00:32:52,539 --> 00:32:49,970
and had to sleep in a chair until he was

747
00:32:55,779 --> 00:32:52,549
recovered five months later but Louise

748
00:32:58,029 --> 00:32:55,789
insists this green light visualization

749
00:33:00,460 --> 00:32:58,039
had an effect as an experienced

750
00:33:03,129 --> 00:33:00,470
therapist of 30 years I've never seen

751
00:33:05,859 --> 00:33:03,139
anyone healed as quickly from such a

752
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:05,869
severe accident she says ten days later

753
00:33:10,299 --> 00:33:08,210
his facial skin was almost completely

754
00:33:12,940 --> 00:33:10,309
healed and he was off his pain

755
00:33:15,789 --> 00:33:12,950
medication he got out of bed on Sunday

756
00:33:18,759 --> 00:33:15,799
it happened on Thursday does she tell

757
00:33:20,590 --> 00:33:18,769
this story too many people know for lots

758
00:33:23,049 --> 00:33:20,600
of people it's too weird too way up

759
00:33:24,940 --> 00:33:23,059
there she says but honestly it's a

760
00:33:27,759 --> 00:33:24,950
resource we all have and don't use

761
00:33:29,619 --> 00:33:27,769
there's so much we don't know this

762
00:33:32,590 --> 00:33:29,629
knowledge gap should be filled and

763
00:33:35,710 --> 00:33:32,600
research backed knowledge says dr. Brad

764
00:33:37,619 --> 00:33:35,720
Makai not intuition that especially

765
00:33:40,299 --> 00:33:37,629
applies to our current situation

766
00:33:42,340 --> 00:33:40,309
scientists working hard to find a cure

767
00:33:45,460 --> 00:33:42,350
and vaccine to protect us all against

768
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:45,470
coronavirus he says hearing someone

769
00:33:49,389 --> 00:33:47,330
claim to boost your immunity against

770
00:33:52,299 --> 00:33:49,399
this potentially lethal virus is

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00:33:54,460 --> 00:33:52,309
insulting to the researchers working day

772
00:33:58,600 --> 00:33:54,470
and night to provide us with real

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00:34:00,440 --> 00:33:58,610
solutions my intuition tells me the

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00:34:02,109 --> 00:34:00,450
experts aren't buying it

775
00:34:04,609 --> 00:34:02,119
[Music]

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00:34:08,980 --> 00:34:04,619
Guerry none is a freelance journalist

777
00:34:12,409 --> 00:34:08,990
reach him on twitter at Geary none one

778
00:34:14,599 --> 00:34:12,419
now those stories certainly square with

779
00:34:16,309 --> 00:34:14,609
my experience over the last 20 years of

780
00:34:18,619 --> 00:34:16,319
dealing meeting and talking with the

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00:34:21,579 --> 00:34:18,629
people they had alluded to one degree or

782
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:21,589
another for one reason or another

783
00:34:25,490 --> 00:34:24,210
largely to do with the fact that they

784
00:34:28,039 --> 00:34:25,500
keep getting this positive

785
00:34:29,839 --> 00:34:28,049
reinforcements from their clients you're

786
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:29,849
wonderful you healed me this is great I

787
00:34:33,740 --> 00:34:31,530
love coming to you thank you

788
00:34:36,819 --> 00:34:33,750
and so on and so forth but in this time

789
00:34:41,839 --> 00:34:36,829
of a truly international emergency

790
00:34:44,450 --> 00:34:41,849
people like this as my contention should

791
00:35:02,599 --> 00:34:44,460
be prosecuted a link to that story in

792
00:35:05,750 --> 00:35:02,609
this week's show knows hey it's George

793
00:35:09,140 --> 00:35:05,760
Rob here from the geologic podcast just

794
00:35:12,319 --> 00:35:09,150
outside on Lake Minnewaska enjoying my

795
00:35:14,329 --> 00:35:12,329
daily canoe ride I like to exercise this

796
00:35:16,180 --> 00:35:14,339
way as much as I possibly can listen I

797
00:35:18,500 --> 00:35:16,190
wanted to just take a second to

798
00:35:20,990 --> 00:35:18,510
congratulate Richard Saunders in the

799
00:35:24,349 --> 00:35:21,000
entire skeptic zone crew for reaching

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00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:24,359
the incredible milestone of let me see

801
00:35:31,460 --> 00:35:28,970
here 60,000 episodes that's really quite

802
00:35:33,020 --> 00:35:31,470
unbelievable like like really

803
00:35:35,299 --> 00:35:33,030
unbelievable so much so that I worry

804
00:35:37,590 --> 00:35:35,309
that my notes here might have gotten wet

805
00:35:41,810 --> 00:35:37,600
let me just see

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00:35:46,650 --> 00:35:41,820
let's yeah no that's a six and yeah

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00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:46,660
60,000 anyway woohoo congratulations to

808
00:35:50,580 --> 00:35:48,490
all of you to the first and foremost to

809
00:35:53,940 --> 00:35:50,590
the ever vigilant and skeptical Richard

810
00:35:55,230 --> 00:35:53,950
Saunders and all of the Zoners past and

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00:35:57,420 --> 00:35:55,240
present that's what you're called right

812
00:36:00,450 --> 00:35:57,430
skeptic Zoners I guess

813
00:36:02,850 --> 00:36:00,460
including of course Maynard and Joe and

814
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:02,860
Stefan and Michelle and Heidi from Andy

815
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:05,290
Lee and the other Michele and Trish and

816
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:09,490
Iran and Tim and dr. Ricci and dr. Polly

817
00:36:16,950 --> 00:36:13,530
and dr. Cassandra and Kevin and Jim and

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00:36:19,890 --> 00:36:16,960
Shelley yeah here's to the to the next

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sixty thousand episodes it's amazing

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it's just it's just super impressive it

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00:36:29,340 --> 00:36:27,060
seems as if I've sprung a leak and

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00:36:32,130 --> 00:36:29,350
slowly sinking so while I still have

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time let me just once again congratulate

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[Applause]

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[Music]

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logical fallacies

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[Music]

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what are the logical fallacies and why

829
00:37:25,740 --> 00:37:21,640
is it important that critical thinkers

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00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:25,750
should know about them a logical fallacy

831
00:37:30,270 --> 00:37:28,690
is an error we can make in reasoning but

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00:37:34,070 --> 00:37:30,280
it usually crops up when we are

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00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:34,080
discussing or arguing our point of view

834
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:36,850
some people might even knowingly use

835
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:39,130
them to try and score cheap points in an

836
00:37:45,900 --> 00:37:42,570
argument due to intellectual laziness

837
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:45,910
they are traps we can fall into but if

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00:37:50,340 --> 00:37:48,370
we know what to look out for we can spot

839
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:50,350
them when they occur and stop ourselves

840
00:38:00,360 --> 00:37:56,650
from using them this week we'll look at

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00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:00,370
the argument from ignorance also known

842
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:02,770
as the appeal to ignorance this is when

843
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:04,810
you assert something is true or could be

844
00:38:10,350 --> 00:38:06,970
true because no one has proved it to be

845
00:38:12,450 --> 00:38:10,360
false this fallacy wrongly shifts the

846
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:12,460
burden of proof away from the person

847
00:38:19,410 --> 00:38:15,970
making the claim we all know what a UFO

848
00:38:23,220 --> 00:38:19,420
is don't we what do you think it is I'll

849
00:38:25,590 --> 00:38:23,230
give you a second now if you are

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00:38:28,260 --> 00:38:25,600
thinking something like an alien

851
00:38:30,690 --> 00:38:28,270
spaceship that is visiting earth then it

852
00:38:35,670 --> 00:38:30,700
could be said you are making an argument

853
00:38:40,470 --> 00:38:35,680
from ignorance remember that the UN UFO

854
00:38:44,270 --> 00:38:40,480
stands for unidentified it could be any

855
00:38:50,070 --> 00:38:44,280
number of things from a bird to a plane

856
00:38:52,890 --> 00:38:50,080
to well you get the idea the fact that

857
00:38:56,100 --> 00:38:52,900
no one has proved something unidentified

858
00:39:00,150 --> 00:38:56,110
in the sky is not an alien spaceship

859
00:39:02,310 --> 00:39:00,160
does not therefore mean it is one the

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00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:02,320
ancient Egyptians had access to advanced

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00:39:07,410 --> 00:39:04,690
technology and knowledge that has been

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00:39:09,870 --> 00:39:07,420
lost for millennia how else could they

863
00:39:12,420 --> 00:39:09,880
have built the pyramids even today

864
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:12,430
scientists are baffled by how it could

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00:39:18,540 --> 00:39:15,370
be done were they helped by advanced

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00:39:20,390 --> 00:39:18,550
aliens this surely is proof that the

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earth has been visited by

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00:39:25,260 --> 00:39:22,840
extraterrestrials well it's certainly

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00:39:27,390 --> 00:39:25,270
true that there are many aspects of the

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00:39:29,730 --> 00:39:27,400
construction of the pyramids we don't

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00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:29,740
yet understand it does not

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00:39:35,550 --> 00:39:32,170
therefore mean the ancient Egyptians had

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access to technology or science far more

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00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:37,200
advanced than our own

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00:39:43,859 --> 00:39:40,810
in fact with every passing year we

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00:39:47,670 --> 00:39:43,869
understand more and more about how the

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00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:47,680
pyramids were constructed and never not

878
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:51,010
once have we discovered evidence of some

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00:39:57,900 --> 00:39:55,210
amazing alien technology what we do find

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00:40:01,500 --> 00:39:57,910
is how resourceful and inventive the

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00:40:05,100 --> 00:40:01,510
ancient Egyptians were remember they

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00:40:06,750 --> 00:40:05,110
were humans just like you and me science

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00:40:09,660 --> 00:40:06,760
does not know the limits of the human

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00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:09,670
brain so it could be that there is a

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00:40:15,450 --> 00:40:11,770
part of the brain that is able to send

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00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:15,460
and receive psychic messages the first

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00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:17,770
part of this statement is true enough as

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00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:19,810
science is still learning about the

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00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:23,290
human brain but that does not therefore

890
00:40:31,340 --> 00:40:26,650
mean psychic powers must or even might

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00:40:34,170 --> 00:40:31,350
exist no one has proven that invisible

892
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:34,180
unicorns from another dimension aren't

893
00:40:40,980 --> 00:40:37,210
running around the streets but that is

894
00:40:43,830 --> 00:40:40,990
no reason to think that they are I went

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00:40:46,859 --> 00:40:43,840
to a Reiki practitioner who cleansed and

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00:40:49,470 --> 00:40:46,869
balanced my energies which cured my

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00:40:52,020 --> 00:40:49,480
insomnia just because science hasn't

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00:40:54,330 --> 00:40:52,030
detected healing energies yet it doesn't

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00:40:56,700 --> 00:40:54,340
mean they don't exist science doesn't

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00:41:00,180 --> 00:40:56,710
know everything there are other ways of

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00:41:03,150 --> 00:41:00,190
knowing it's just so easy to accept

902
00:41:06,810 --> 00:41:03,160
something like Reiki needless to say an

903
00:41:10,260 --> 00:41:06,820
unproven modality seems to work when you

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00:41:12,780 --> 00:41:10,270
think it has worked for you it also

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00:41:17,130 --> 00:41:12,790
makes sense to look for a reason as to

906
00:41:20,750 --> 00:41:17,140
why it seems to work that the reason

907
00:41:23,700 --> 00:41:20,760
given makes no real sense scientifically

908
00:41:26,430 --> 00:41:23,710
really doesn't matter when someone is

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00:41:29,079 --> 00:41:26,440
convinced by perceived outcomes of the

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00:41:32,059 --> 00:41:29,089
modality

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00:41:34,579 --> 00:41:32,069
you'll often find that people think that

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00:41:38,329 --> 00:41:34,589
just because something has not been

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00:41:41,150 --> 00:41:38,339
shown to be false or not the case the

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00:41:45,969 --> 00:41:41,160
opposite must be true or at least could

915
00:41:49,190 --> 00:41:45,979
be true as unsatisfying as it can be

916
00:41:59,150 --> 00:41:49,200
sometimes the best answer a sceptic can

917
00:42:01,519 --> 00:41:59,160
give is I don't know knowing a logical

918
00:42:03,890 --> 00:42:01,529
fallacy when you hear one and even

919
00:42:07,759 --> 00:42:03,900
knowing its name is important when

920
00:42:10,549 --> 00:42:07,769
arguing your point of view however you

921
00:42:13,279 --> 00:42:10,559
may come across as arrogant and not get

922
00:42:15,349 --> 00:42:13,289
very far if you call it out by name to

923
00:42:19,609 --> 00:42:15,359
your opponent when you hear it being

924
00:42:22,309 --> 00:42:19,619
used if your opponent calls you out for

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00:42:26,390 --> 00:42:22,319
using one it's time to stop and think

926
00:42:27,969 --> 00:42:26,400
about how you are making your case use

927
00:42:31,729 --> 00:42:27,979
your knowledge of logical fallacies

928
00:42:34,370 --> 00:42:31,739
wisely and remember that even if your

929
00:42:37,219 --> 00:42:34,380
point of view is right and you know all

930
00:42:39,559 --> 00:42:37,229
the pitfalls in arguing your case it

931
00:42:43,549 --> 00:42:39,569
doesn't always mean you'll win on the

932
00:42:49,670 --> 00:42:43,559
day and a skeptics we must also remember

933
00:42:51,380 --> 00:42:49,680
that we too can be wrong at times I'm

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00:42:59,880 --> 00:42:51,390
Michele because my from the Vick

935
00:42:59,890 --> 00:43:04,350
[Music]

936
00:43:10,540 --> 00:43:07,720
hi skeptic zone listeners it's been

937
00:43:12,910 --> 00:43:10,550
Radford Pascual Romero and Celestia Ward

938
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:12,920
here we hear it squaring the strange

939
00:43:18,100 --> 00:43:14,450
would like to congratulate Richard

940
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:18,110
Saunders on 600 years of podcasting that

941
00:43:22,990 --> 00:43:20,810
I I don't think that's right

942
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:23,000
nope I read it online he's been at this

943
00:43:28,720 --> 00:43:26,450
for 600 years Wow Aziz must have great

944
00:43:31,060 --> 00:43:28,730
health care are you sure it said 600

945
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:31,070
years is that in metric or something

946
00:43:37,090 --> 00:43:33,410
look Ben I'm telling you I read that

947
00:43:39,430 --> 00:43:37,100
that is so metal no no actually it's are

948
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:39,440
you seriously going to no actually me

949
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:41,330
well it's kind of what our podcast is

950
00:43:47,620 --> 00:43:44,570
about well actually our podcast is about

951
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:47,630
strange like cryptids ghosts media

952
00:43:50,890 --> 00:43:49,850
literacy panic psychology and brain

953
00:43:53,890 --> 00:43:50,900
malfunctions

954
00:43:58,690 --> 00:43:53,900
did you just well actually Ben I did

955
00:44:01,930 --> 00:43:58,700
look is owed what it says Richard has

956
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:01,940
done 600 episodes of skeptic zone oh

957
00:44:07,930 --> 00:44:05,530
well I guess that's still impressive

958
00:44:09,660 --> 00:44:07,940
congratulations skeptic zone and thanks

959
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:09,670
for all the work you've done debunking

960
00:44:14,950 --> 00:44:12,530
uncovering and publicizing fraudulent

961
00:44:19,510 --> 00:44:14,960
psychics altmed whoo and making the

962
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:30,470
[Laughter]

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[Music]

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and now a reading from the book of Tim

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00:44:48,720 --> 00:44:39,210
[Music]

966
00:44:50,580 --> 00:44:48,730
with Tim Mendham hi my name is Tim

967
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:50,590
Mendham and I'm the executive officer of

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00:44:55,890 --> 00:44:52,690
Australian skeptics Inc and I'm the

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00:44:58,100 --> 00:44:55,900
editor of our magazine the skeptic this

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00:45:01,590 --> 00:44:58,110
time we'll be looking at part three of

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00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:01,600
divining admit er which is a detailed

972
00:45:06,870 --> 00:45:03,930
explanation of how our challenges

973
00:45:09,750 --> 00:45:06,880
undertaken and this time is a challenge

974
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:09,760
for diviners trying to find water this

975
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:11,650
appeared in the skeptic magazine in June

976
00:45:18,650 --> 00:45:16,570
2013 which is volume 33 number 2 this

977
00:45:20,610 --> 00:45:18,660
particular article looks at the people

978
00:45:27,570 --> 00:45:20,620
being a people person it's actually

979
00:45:29,730 --> 00:45:27,580
written by Richard Saunders so people

980
00:45:32,490 --> 00:45:29,740
often ask Richard why he became a

981
00:45:33,930 --> 00:45:32,500
skeptic there are many reasons but

982
00:45:36,150 --> 00:45:33,940
towards the top of the list is the work

983
00:45:38,730 --> 00:45:36,160
of James Randi which has said no

984
00:45:40,550 --> 00:45:38,740
surprise I know but one area of Randy's

985
00:45:43,350 --> 00:45:40,560
work stands out for me in particular

986
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:43,360
around 1980 at the invitation of dick

987
00:45:46,140 --> 00:45:43,810
Smith

988
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:46,150
Randy travelled to Australia to conduct

989
00:45:51,150 --> 00:45:48,690
the now legendary water divining tests

990
00:45:52,740 --> 00:45:51,160
the documentary of these tests James

991
00:45:55,650 --> 00:45:52,750
Randi in Australia is available on

992
00:45:57,630 --> 00:45:55,660
YouTube it goes without saying that this

993
00:46:00,150 --> 00:45:57,640
is a classic of sceptical investigation

994
00:46:02,490 --> 00:46:00,160
and a must-see for any skeptic young or

995
00:46:04,140 --> 00:46:02,500
old we're putting the actual testing

996
00:46:05,610 --> 00:46:04,150
aside for a moment I'd like to

997
00:46:08,060 --> 00:46:05,620
concentrate on the real stars of the

998
00:46:12,180 --> 00:46:08,070
show the diviners

999
00:46:16,599 --> 00:46:14,710
we all may have an idea in our mind of

1000
00:46:19,809 --> 00:46:16,609
what a classic Ozzie water diviner might

1001
00:46:22,390 --> 00:46:19,819
be like a bushy in their 50s to 70s

1002
00:46:24,309 --> 00:46:22,400
broad Australian accent a nice sort of

1003
00:46:26,829 --> 00:46:24,319
bloke or from time to time a woman

1004
00:46:28,720 --> 00:46:26,839
someone who comes across as honest with

1005
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:28,730
an air of worldly wisdom gained from

1006
00:46:34,150 --> 00:46:30,970
years of life in the real countryside

1007
00:46:36,059 --> 00:46:34,160
well I must say at this time the

1008
00:46:38,319 --> 00:46:36,069
stereotype is spot-on

1009
00:46:40,930 --> 00:46:38,329
we first encounter these wonderful

1010
00:46:43,150 --> 00:46:40,940
Aussie folk in the documentary from 1980

1011
00:46:44,950 --> 00:46:43,160
and we meet them again I'll be a

1012
00:46:46,630 --> 00:46:44,960
completely different people nine years

1013
00:46:48,579 --> 00:46:46,640
later when Australian skeptics tested

1014
00:46:52,059 --> 00:46:48,589
water diviners near Sydney and then

1015
00:46:55,420 --> 00:46:52,069
again in 2001 and 2002 in mitr for more

1016
00:46:57,849 --> 00:46:55,430
tests the 2000 test is also available on

1017
00:47:01,049 --> 00:46:57,859
YouTube this brought us to the most

1018
00:47:03,339 --> 00:47:01,059
recent tests at meta meta in March 2013

1019
00:47:07,420 --> 00:47:03,349
although none of the water diviners from

1020
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:07,430
2002 were back or from 1980 or 1989 for

1021
00:47:11,859 --> 00:47:09,890
that matter their spirit is alive and

1022
00:47:14,829 --> 00:47:11,869
well in what we might call the next

1023
00:47:16,599 --> 00:47:14,839
generation of water diviners the

1024
00:47:18,490 --> 00:47:16,609
colourful crew who turned up this time

1025
00:47:21,279 --> 00:47:18,500
would have been in their mid 20s or 30s

1026
00:47:23,650 --> 00:47:21,289
in 1980 a few of the younger ones

1027
00:47:25,029 --> 00:47:23,660
wouldn't even have been born them but by

1028
00:47:27,279 --> 00:47:25,039
and large she could pluck any of them

1029
00:47:29,079 --> 00:47:27,289
out of time and place them back in one

1030
00:47:30,910 --> 00:47:29,089
of the tests from the past and no one

1031
00:47:32,769 --> 00:47:30,920
would know the difference they have a

1032
00:47:34,900 --> 00:47:32,779
certain look and outlook a way of

1033
00:47:36,370 --> 00:47:34,910
dressing a way of speaking and a way of

1034
00:47:37,049 --> 00:47:36,380
thinking that it's not changed in all

1035
00:47:39,910 --> 00:47:37,059
these years

1036
00:47:42,069 --> 00:47:39,920
but why do they do it and how can they

1037
00:47:45,370 --> 00:47:42,079
be so creative when the responses to

1038
00:47:46,839 --> 00:47:45,380
failed tests to understand this question

1039
00:47:49,690 --> 00:47:46,849
we must try and put ourselves into the

1040
00:47:50,289 --> 00:47:49,700
mind of a believer it's not as hard as

1041
00:47:53,500 --> 00:47:50,299
you may think

1042
00:47:55,690 --> 00:47:53,510
say for example you play the piano every

1043
00:47:57,670 --> 00:47:55,700
now and then you built out a tune people

1044
00:47:59,740 --> 00:47:57,680
sing along and we even make a few bucks

1045
00:48:01,779 --> 00:47:59,750
out of it now imagine that one day

1046
00:48:03,519 --> 00:48:01,789
someone tells you that if you can play a

1047
00:48:06,930 --> 00:48:03,529
certain tune on the piano for them in

1048
00:48:09,430 --> 00:48:06,940
their house they will pay you $100,000

1049
00:48:09,970 --> 00:48:09,440
it seems all your Christmases have come

1050
00:48:12,819 --> 00:48:09,980
at once

1051
00:48:14,410 --> 00:48:12,829
you turn up inspect the piano have a

1052
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:14,420
look at the house and it all seems fine

1053
00:48:18,970 --> 00:48:16,970
but when you sit down and start to play

1054
00:48:21,279 --> 00:48:18,980
what comes out of the piano is awful

1055
00:48:23,559 --> 00:48:21,289
your fingers seem to be playing the

1056
00:48:25,270 --> 00:48:23,569
right notes but no real tune is coming

1057
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:25,280
out the money is withdrawn

1058
00:48:30,250 --> 00:48:28,370
you have failed if this happened to you

1059
00:48:32,140 --> 00:48:30,260
you would at once be looking for the

1060
00:48:34,690 --> 00:48:32,150
trick well the reason as to why you

1061
00:48:38,110 --> 00:48:34,700
suddenly fail to do something that you

1062
00:48:39,730 --> 00:48:38,120
know full well you can do this I submit

1063
00:48:42,370 --> 00:48:39,740
is what is going on in the head of the

1064
00:48:45,220 --> 00:48:42,380
water diviners and they fail the tests

1065
00:48:46,900 --> 00:48:45,230
to them what a divining is real it's

1066
00:48:49,240 --> 00:48:46,910
something they do it's beyond question

1067
00:48:50,950 --> 00:48:49,250
that it works I understand why they need

1068
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:50,960
to find a reason to explain their lack

1069
00:48:55,540 --> 00:48:53,810
of success on the day for me one of the

1070
00:48:56,980 --> 00:48:55,550
tell-tale signs that someone is honest

1071
00:48:59,350 --> 00:48:56,990
in their belief is the length and

1072
00:49:02,200 --> 00:48:59,360
creativity they will go to in order for

1073
00:49:04,510 --> 00:49:02,210
them to preserve their worldview you can

1074
00:49:06,820 --> 00:49:04,520
see it in their faces as they study the

1075
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:06,830
situation and come up with what to them

1076
00:49:12,190 --> 00:49:09,770
explains the failure this explanation

1077
00:49:14,740 --> 00:49:12,200
then becomes a certainty and satisfies a

1078
00:49:16,390 --> 00:49:14,750
vital need they have at the time they

1079
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:16,400
have found a reason to justify their

1080
00:49:19,750 --> 00:49:18,410
lack of success and that reason has

1081
00:49:20,860 --> 00:49:19,760
nothing to do with whether water

1082
00:49:23,140 --> 00:49:20,870
divining works or not

1083
00:49:25,780 --> 00:49:23,150
in fact the question of whether it works

1084
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:25,790
is not even entertained the water

1085
00:49:30,610 --> 00:49:28,370
diviners at MIT er in 2013 behaved

1086
00:49:32,250 --> 00:49:30,620
exactly as predicted they thought along

1087
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:32,260
the same lines as their predecessors

1088
00:49:36,940 --> 00:49:34,610
have found them to be honest and sincere

1089
00:49:39,100 --> 00:49:36,950
with a real expectation that they would

1090
00:49:40,890 --> 00:49:39,110
succeed and collect the money they are

1091
00:49:43,450 --> 00:49:40,900
genuine part of the Australian landscape

1092
00:49:46,180 --> 00:49:43,460
no matter what we may think of their

1093
00:49:48,220 --> 00:49:46,190
paranormal claim but the interesting

1094
00:49:50,650 --> 00:49:48,230
thing about a lot of the diviners is the

1095
00:49:52,750 --> 00:49:50,660
excuses they come up with after they

1096
00:49:54,550 --> 00:49:52,760
have failed these excuses are

1097
00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:54,560
fascinating and often quite wonderful in

1098
00:49:58,600 --> 00:49:56,930
the way the minds of the diviners seem

1099
00:50:01,810 --> 00:49:58,610
to work and the all important results

1100
00:50:03,580 --> 00:50:01,820
from the tests are revealed even in 1980

1101
00:50:05,380 --> 00:50:03,590
Randi was making the point to dick Smith

1102
00:50:07,750 --> 00:50:05,390
that water diviners will rationalize

1103
00:50:09,250 --> 00:50:07,760
their failure although the same is true

1104
00:50:11,980 --> 00:50:09,260
for many who believe in paranormal

1105
00:50:14,140 --> 00:50:11,990
claims dick had been quite concerned

1106
00:50:16,630 --> 00:50:14,150
that seeing their poor performance the

1107
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:16,640
diviners would be devastated Randi

1108
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:18,770
assured him that don't worry they'll

1109
00:50:22,690 --> 00:50:20,210
find a reason why they were not at fault

1110
00:50:25,810 --> 00:50:22,700
often within minutes or hours of the

1111
00:50:27,550 --> 00:50:25,820
tests this we see again and again and

1112
00:50:30,970 --> 00:50:27,560
the rationalizations are as entertaining

1113
00:50:34,390 --> 00:50:30,980
as the diviners themselves for instance

1114
00:50:38,470 --> 00:50:34,400
in 2013 the following with some of the

1115
00:50:40,810 --> 00:50:38,480
reasons use the water has dirt in it

1116
00:50:43,090 --> 00:50:40,820
water so probably right the sand has

1117
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:43,100
water in it doesn't natural scent

1118
00:50:49,990 --> 00:50:47,570
the sand has minerals in it yep too many

1119
00:50:53,109 --> 00:50:50,000
people I've got to be in a relaxed state

1120
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:53,119
the water is not flowing but they could

1121
00:50:57,570 --> 00:50:54,410
do it when the water was revealed to

1122
00:51:01,359 --> 00:50:57,580
them this is not how I normally Devine

1123
00:51:03,910 --> 00:51:01,369
again he did it successfully when it was

1124
00:51:05,859 --> 00:51:03,920
revealed to him although that person

1125
00:51:08,290 --> 00:51:05,869
eventually didn't complete the trial and

1126
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:08,300
they left there's a stream under the

1127
00:51:11,140 --> 00:51:10,010
tennis court which is puzzling because

1128
00:51:13,030 --> 00:51:11,150
the local skeptics had a

1129
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:13,040
ground-penetrating radar scan done

1130
00:51:18,150 --> 00:51:15,490
beforehand there is a pipe system here

1131
00:51:20,830 --> 00:51:18,160
there was but in totally different place

1132
00:51:23,590 --> 00:51:20,840
in Bryce's favorite was have you heard

1133
00:51:25,690 --> 00:51:23,600
of spontaneous human combustion their

1134
00:51:28,599 --> 00:51:25,700
legs burn off up to the knees that

1135
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:28,609
proves humans are made of 1/3 water 1/3

1136
00:51:33,580 --> 00:51:31,850
minerals and 1/3 static electricity the

1137
00:51:35,770 --> 00:51:33,590
metal fence around the tennis court is

1138
00:51:39,010 --> 00:51:35,780
earthing out and sparks are jumping off

1139
00:51:41,830 --> 00:51:39,020
it into my legs fortunately none of the

1140
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:41,840
contestants combusted spontaneously or

1141
00:51:45,580 --> 00:51:44,330
otherwise he's a similar excuses to

1142
00:51:47,890 --> 00:51:45,590
those which we've seen over the past

1143
00:51:50,470 --> 00:51:47,900
such as the water in the hidden bottles

1144
00:51:51,849 --> 00:51:50,480
were stagnant I need running water the

1145
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:51,859
water in the hidden bottles was tap

1146
00:51:55,750 --> 00:51:54,170
water i was testing for river water the

1147
00:51:58,240 --> 00:51:55,760
water in the hidden bottles lost its

1148
00:51:59,859 --> 00:51:58,250
electricity told wire fences interfere

1149
00:52:01,780 --> 00:51:59,869
with my abilities there are too many

1150
00:52:03,609 --> 00:52:01,790
underground streams on the testing site

1151
00:52:06,220 --> 00:52:03,619
the sand in the hidden bottles was damp

1152
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:06,230
and that confused my rods the film crew

1153
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:07,850
were using walkie-talkies that interfere

1154
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:10,010
with my abilities you cannot test water

1155
00:52:14,380 --> 00:52:12,290
Diwani which was not a very good excuse

1156
00:52:16,450 --> 00:52:14,390
don't forget that these people show

1157
00:52:18,580 --> 00:52:16,460
their abilities at the start of a test

1158
00:52:20,020 --> 00:52:18,590
with water bottles or sand bottles that

1159
00:52:22,390 --> 00:52:20,030
were revealed to them they showed how it

1160
00:52:24,070 --> 00:52:22,400
worked and it worked the problem came

1161
00:52:25,870 --> 00:52:24,080
when they didn't know what was in the

1162
00:52:26,550 --> 00:52:25,880
bottles and that's when the excuse has

1163
00:52:30,690 --> 00:52:26,560
started

1164
00:52:33,729 --> 00:52:30,700
[Music]

1165
00:52:35,769 --> 00:52:33,739
so there has been part three of our look

1166
00:52:39,849 --> 00:52:35,779
at the divining tests undertaken at meta

1167
00:52:41,739 --> 00:52:39,859
meter in 2013 we've covered the tests

1168
00:52:43,749 --> 00:52:41,749
we've covered the people we've covered

1169
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:43,759
the overall event and it gives you a

1170
00:52:47,380 --> 00:52:45,410
pretty good indication of the way

1171
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:47,390
challenges are done certainly for this

1172
00:52:52,180 --> 00:52:49,970
particular topic and the outcomes that

1173
00:52:54,190 --> 00:52:52,190
we have received over the years we've

1174
00:52:56,920 --> 00:52:54,200
probably done over 200 tests for our

1175
00:52:58,749 --> 00:52:56,930
$100,000 challenge most of them

1176
00:53:01,630 --> 00:52:58,759
certainly more than half have been for

1177
00:53:03,370 --> 00:53:01,640
water diviners and dowsers others have

1178
00:53:07,420 --> 00:53:03,380
been psychics and you name it what other

1179
00:53:10,329 --> 00:53:07,430
people so far no one has managed to get

1180
00:53:12,370 --> 00:53:10,339
past that preliminary test as was the

1181
00:53:14,650 --> 00:53:12,380
case with the dot diviners and as the

1182
00:53:16,390 --> 00:53:14,660
case with many others it doesn't stop us

1183
00:53:19,450 --> 00:53:16,400
looking we are serious it is real money

1184
00:53:22,839 --> 00:53:19,460
and real $100,000 and we are looking for

1185
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:22,849
someone who can claim it but so far no

1186
00:53:28,539 --> 00:53:25,729
one has been able to do so tomorrow who

1187
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:28,549
knows this has been divining at

1188
00:53:36,009 --> 00:53:31,130
millimeter part 3 as appeared in the

1189
00:53:39,039 --> 00:53:36,019
skeptic magazine June 2013 volume 33

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number 2 and you can read this article

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magazine for free you can download

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issues of the magazine except for the

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last four from our website w WX comte

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you look at the tag for magazines scroll

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down and you'll see all the magazine's

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they're available for your pleasure

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[Music]

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00:54:14,060 --> 00:54:11,220
hey this is on - from the European

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skeptics podcast and with me is Alena

1201
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:18,990
and pontus we hear that it's your 600

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that's one our favorite websites by the

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way but imagine 12 years of podcasting

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this is fantastic

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no wonder richard is turning a little

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bit great and we want to wish you a

1214
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fantastic success for the future and

1215
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here's for the next 12 years and at

1216
00:54:58,220 --> 00:54:56,310
least 600 episodes here here yeah we do

1217
00:55:01,099 --> 00:54:58,230
know it's a hell of a lot of work but

1218
00:55:04,070 --> 00:55:01,109
you guys are an amazing team what you've

1219
00:55:05,780 --> 00:55:04,080
done so far is absolutely fantastic

1220
00:55:08,089 --> 00:55:05,790
but we are really looking forward to

1221
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:08,099
even more of that so congratulations

1222
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again and keep up the fantastic work

1223
00:55:16,079 --> 00:55:23,930
his may not spooky action at a distance

1224
00:55:29,460 --> 00:55:27,180
hi folks Maine out here and welcome to

1225
00:55:31,740 --> 00:55:29,470
the pandemic edition of Maine and

1226
00:55:33,839 --> 00:55:31,750
international studios a few the

1227
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:33,849
reporters here on the mighty mighty

1228
00:55:39,779 --> 00:55:35,530
mighty podcast which is six hundred

1229
00:55:41,430 --> 00:55:39,789
episodes old today and man every one of

1230
00:55:42,900 --> 00:55:41,440
those shows has been now we know oh

1231
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:42,910
maybe not the ones I've been involved

1232
00:55:46,230 --> 00:55:44,770
with but generally most of the shows in

1233
00:55:47,609 --> 00:55:46,240
the skeptic zones have been a winner for

1234
00:55:49,230 --> 00:55:47,619
all six hundred congratulations to

1235
00:55:52,470 --> 00:55:49,240
Richard Saunders I'm here with all

1236
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:52,480
Richard's friends alone at the Maine

1237
00:55:55,230 --> 00:55:53,770
hundred national studios and after

1238
00:55:57,270 --> 00:55:55,240
taking a leaf out of heidi's book

1239
00:55:59,190 --> 00:55:57,280
because as the one of the presenters

1240
00:56:01,770 --> 00:55:59,200
here on the skeptic zone you heard her

1241
00:56:03,270 --> 00:56:01,780
talk about her day her quarantine oh

1242
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:03,280
that's right they don't like using the Q

1243
00:56:07,950 --> 00:56:05,770
word do they the quarantine that we're

1244
00:56:11,010 --> 00:56:07,960
all in here hmm and oh I've just been

1245
00:56:12,569 --> 00:56:11,020
thinking about her idea of giving the

1246
00:56:14,010 --> 00:56:12,579
kids in the morning a bit of an activity

1247
00:56:16,289 --> 00:56:14,020
like they're getting on the school bus

1248
00:56:18,420 --> 00:56:16,299
and then put balloons to represent other

1249
00:56:20,309 --> 00:56:18,430
people on the bus on the way to school

1250
00:56:21,690 --> 00:56:20,319
which i think so perfectly health

1251
00:56:23,789 --> 00:56:21,700
international response to a worldwide

1252
00:56:25,589 --> 00:56:23,799
pandemic so I thought I can do that too

1253
00:56:28,049 --> 00:56:25,599
so I'm filled may not international

1254
00:56:30,059 --> 00:56:28,059
studios with balloons so I could pretend

1255
00:56:31,529 --> 00:56:30,069
on having a party and tell you two of

1256
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:31,539
the balloons have been the toilet for an

1257
00:56:33,930 --> 00:56:32,650
hour and I can't even get in there get

1258
00:56:36,990 --> 00:56:33,940
out of there your balloons come on get

1259
00:56:40,140 --> 00:56:37,000
out of there anyway and what have I been

1260
00:56:42,990 --> 00:56:40,150
doing well I'm look really you know how

1261
00:56:45,240 --> 00:56:43,000
they say if you really thought through

1262
00:56:48,150 --> 00:56:45,250
the full implications of a lot of things

1263
00:56:50,220 --> 00:56:48,160
you'd never do them like marriage like

1264
00:56:51,690 --> 00:56:50,230
having kids because if you overthink the

1265
00:56:53,519 --> 00:56:51,700
whole thing your staff think well look

1266
00:56:54,870 --> 00:56:53,529
Tom Jones once said to me know there's a

1267
00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:54,880
name drop that when you're getting

1268
00:56:58,500 --> 00:56:56,410
married you really got to be walking

1269
00:57:01,079 --> 00:56:58,510
down the aisle with no idea what you're

1270
00:57:03,539 --> 00:57:01,089
getting into perhaps not the best idea

1271
00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:03,549
legal wise but yeah I can see what he's

1272
00:57:05,970 --> 00:57:04,690
getting at there because you're thinking

1273
00:57:07,769 --> 00:57:05,980
about all the positive things that sort

1274
00:57:09,299 --> 00:57:07,779
of thing Simon kids - I've never really

1275
00:57:09,870 --> 00:57:09,309
wanted to have kids because that's have

1276
00:57:11,190 --> 00:57:09,880
you seen me

1277
00:57:13,470 --> 00:57:11,200
yeah that answers your question on the

1278
00:57:14,940 --> 00:57:13,480
whole thing and I thought X having kids

1279
00:57:16,620 --> 00:57:14,950
and all that responsibility with me

1280
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:16,630
I have trouble like let's see now it's

1281
00:57:20,069 --> 00:57:18,730
1:30 I've just had breakfast really that

1282
00:57:21,779 --> 00:57:20,079
is that's all what look nothing's

1283
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:21,789
changed much really except apparently

1284
00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:24,250
there's a virus around now and I've been

1285
00:57:27,420 --> 00:57:26,170
looking into the whole thing of just

1286
00:57:29,700 --> 00:57:27,430
being responsible for other people I

1287
00:57:32,250 --> 00:57:29,710
think it's great to do that and be that

1288
00:57:33,359 --> 00:57:32,260
and celebrate that but if you're someone

1289
00:57:34,740 --> 00:57:33,369
who's not very good at just being

1290
00:57:36,690 --> 00:57:34,750
responsible generally you should be very

1291
00:57:36,900 --> 00:57:36,700
careful so I'm very careful just getting

1292
00:57:38,100 --> 00:57:36,910
real

1293
00:57:40,110 --> 00:57:38,110
the house here on my own if there was

1294
00:57:41,610 --> 00:57:40,120
actually a smaller human in here

1295
00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:41,620
somewhere I don't know where the

1296
00:57:46,530 --> 00:57:43,570
ramifications that would go but my day

1297
00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:46,540
is it bit more focused on just doing

1298
00:57:51,500 --> 00:57:49,810
work stuff so let me see virus a lot of

1299
00:57:54,180 --> 00:57:51,510
people can't work which is really sad

1300
00:57:57,060 --> 00:57:54,190
Maynard's Korea may not offered can't

1301
00:57:59,310 --> 00:57:57,070
work so that's that's the way it goes

1302
00:57:59,700 --> 00:57:59,320
for so basically I'm gonna leaving the

1303
00:58:03,590 --> 00:57:59,710
house

1304
00:58:06,690 --> 00:58:03,600
slightly less and earning slightly less

1305
00:58:08,490 --> 00:58:06,700
that's kind of happened it's very quiet

1306
00:58:10,260 --> 00:58:08,500
so you can do lots of recordings that's

1307
00:58:12,540 --> 00:58:10,270
one good thing that's going on and I've

1308
00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:12,550
also had a chance to catch up on some

1309
00:58:16,410 --> 00:58:14,530
things that you know there's guilty

1310
00:58:18,450 --> 00:58:16,420
pleasures and I do enjoy those guilty

1311
00:58:20,310 --> 00:58:18,460
pleasures of those movies that you know

1312
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:20,320
they everyone says that's not very good

1313
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:22,210
don't watch the way through so I thought

1314
00:58:26,490 --> 00:58:24,250
I would and one I would recommend to you

1315
00:58:28,130 --> 00:58:26,500
it is you know Audrey Hepburn everyone

1316
00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:28,140
goes ah she's fantastic

1317
00:58:32,850 --> 00:58:30,610
she not all of the movies were good

1318
00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:32,860
there is one that is considered her

1319
00:58:38,730 --> 00:58:36,250
worst movie and I quite like it it's

1320
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:38,740
called Paris when it sizzles it was made

1321
00:58:44,460 --> 00:58:42,010
in 1962 starring her and William Holden

1322
00:58:45,390 --> 00:58:44,470
so had big star power their soundtrack

1323
00:58:47,460 --> 00:58:45,400
by Nelson Riddle

1324
00:58:49,650 --> 00:58:47,470
in fact Fred Astaire and Frank Sinatra

1325
00:58:51,950 --> 00:58:49,660
actually both provide vocals for the

1326
00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:51,960
soundtrack and it was not released until

1327
00:58:56,310 --> 00:58:54,730
1967 which was odd because I was

1328
00:58:58,860 --> 00:58:56,320
watching it the fashions look they

1329
00:59:00,870 --> 00:58:58,870
weren't quiet 1967 that the studio sat

1330
00:59:02,430 --> 00:59:00,880
on his movie for five years because they

1331
00:59:04,500 --> 00:59:02,440
considered it apart from the two stars

1332
00:59:06,150 --> 00:59:04,510
it was completely unsellable which is

1333
00:59:09,540 --> 00:59:06,160
kind of true and when it was released in

1334
00:59:11,220 --> 00:59:09,550
1967 it was sort of sold as a little

1335
00:59:12,780 --> 00:59:11,230
movie within a movie the girl who stole

1336
00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:12,790
the Eiffel Tower and they kind of sort

1337
00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:14,290
of try to sell it in sort of a Batman

1338
00:59:18,330 --> 00:59:16,090
kind of way on the poster which never

1339
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:18,340
really worked but it's a cork of a movie

1340
00:59:23,130 --> 00:59:20,890
I quite like it it is difficult to watch

1341
00:59:25,830 --> 00:59:23,140
it will require your attention it's not

1342
00:59:29,160 --> 00:59:25,840
an MTV film clip but it's about some

1343
00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:29,170
great fashion and Tony Curtis um who was

1344
00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:30,850
unbuilt in the movie turns up in a

1345
00:59:36,270 --> 00:59:33,970
couple of scenes as a bumbling James

1346
00:59:37,410 --> 00:59:36,280
Dean style actor which I quite like so

1347
00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:37,420
there's something there's a guilty

1348
00:59:39,930 --> 00:59:38,770
pleasure for you I've recommended that

1349
00:59:42,900 --> 00:59:39,940
to a couple of people on Facebook and

1350
00:59:45,390 --> 00:59:42,910
they've got back to me and I kind of

1351
00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:45,400
thank you is what they said in a text

1352
00:59:48,060 --> 00:59:46,450
term so I don't know if I've been

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00:59:49,080 --> 00:59:48,070
welcome for recommending mr. people but

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00:59:49,770 --> 00:59:49,090
anyway so that's one of the things I've

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00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:49,780
done

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00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:51,490
I've been catching up on some listening

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00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:52,930
but I've also been catching up on a lot

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00:59:56,430 --> 00:59:54,490
of those shows and podcasts that I

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00:59:58,410 --> 00:59:56,440
wanted to put out that I really didn't

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01:00:00,570 --> 00:59:58,420
have the attentional focus to really

1361
01:00:02,610 --> 01:00:00,580
made things focused for me and I quite

1362
01:00:04,500 --> 01:00:02,620
like that so I've I'm putting out more

1363
01:00:06,630 --> 01:00:04,510
stuff from my archives from my Triple J

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01:00:09,540 --> 01:00:06,640
work and my Channel V work with Fox

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01:00:12,300 --> 01:00:09,550
still that's coming out and I'm going to

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01:00:14,610 --> 01:00:12,310
be putting out a show more regularly and

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01:00:16,680 --> 01:00:14,620
certainly more video shows I just put

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01:00:18,660 --> 01:00:16,690
one up at Maynard dot-com that I you of

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01:00:19,830 --> 01:00:18,670
the Ameland comedy festival of course

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01:00:22,830 --> 01:00:19,840
the Melbourne comedy festival was

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01:00:25,350 --> 01:00:22,840
cancelled in 2020 but I did a show there

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01:00:27,660 --> 01:00:25,360
in 92 for triple j show there in 93 for

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01:00:29,370 --> 01:00:27,670
triple j and a show there in 2000 for a

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01:00:31,020 --> 01:00:29,380
Channel V Fox still which was all film

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01:00:35,580 --> 01:00:31,030
clips talking to Australian comics like

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01:00:38,670 --> 01:00:35,590
Eric Bana Chris Frankland a whole bunch

1377
01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:38,680
of people scared weird little guys like

1378
01:00:41,550 --> 01:00:40,330
that tripod they're all in the show and

1379
01:00:43,470 --> 01:00:41,560
I had to try and fit all those

1380
01:00:44,850 --> 01:00:43,480
interviews into an hour with film clips

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01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:44,860
and stuff and it's even got some weird

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01:00:50,070 --> 01:00:47,770
al' in it so I highly recommend that but

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01:00:52,230 --> 01:00:50,080
yep oh hey and isn't this great for

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01:00:54,660 --> 01:00:52,240
drinking isn't that we're in a golden

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01:00:56,880 --> 01:00:54,670
age of drinking now cuz people can drink

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01:00:58,860 --> 01:00:56,890
at home on their own and they've got an

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01:01:01,590 --> 01:00:58,870
excuse where before you just being a

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01:01:03,090 --> 01:01:01,600
said dick but now oh sorry oh look as

1389
01:01:05,490 --> 01:01:03,100
the pandemic excuse me I must have a

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01:01:06,840 --> 01:01:05,500
martini and yes I know it's a quarter

1391
01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:06,850
past 9:00 in the morning but hey what am

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01:01:11,550 --> 01:01:09,490
I going to do it's sort of like yeah

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01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:11,560
it's not like a light breakfast is what

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01:01:14,520 --> 01:01:13,330
you're having at 9:30 anyway so that

1395
01:01:16,020 --> 01:01:14,530
sort of thing has been going on here and

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01:01:17,220 --> 01:01:16,030
I've been enjoying it and I hope we've

1397
01:01:19,220 --> 01:01:17,230
been keeping you company because one

1398
01:01:22,350 --> 01:01:19,230
thing I've discovered is podcasts are

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01:01:23,790 --> 01:01:22,360
always good and at this time too with

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01:01:27,300 --> 01:01:23,800
people with a shared experience around

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01:01:29,100 --> 01:01:27,310
the globe the how-to heretic podcast is

1402
01:01:31,950 --> 01:01:29,110
one of my favorites they describe

1403
01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:31,960
themselves as your audio uncles a couple

1404
01:01:35,910 --> 01:01:34,210
of ex and Mormons in there so I think

1405
01:01:37,590 --> 01:01:35,920
the fact it's called how to heretic

1406
01:01:39,210 --> 01:01:37,600
explains what they get up to on the show

1407
01:01:40,680 --> 01:01:39,220
and that's been pretty interesting to

1408
01:01:43,560 --> 01:01:40,690
listen to that's one of them I've always

1409
01:01:46,140 --> 01:01:43,570
been also listen to the Fringe podcasts

1410
01:01:48,540 --> 01:01:46,150
as well plenty of them you're pushing

1411
01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:48,550
fringe theories which not usually

1412
01:01:53,670 --> 01:01:51,010
helpful but always a good listen because

1413
01:01:56,250 --> 01:01:53,680
they somehow they just like even though

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01:01:59,910 --> 01:01:56,260
I'd recommend knowledge fight it's a

1415
01:02:02,400 --> 01:01:59,920
long podcast where people basically fact

1416
01:02:03,610 --> 01:02:02,410
check and make fun of the Alex Jones so

1417
01:02:05,140 --> 01:02:03,620
in the u.s. so it's almost

1418
01:02:06,790 --> 01:02:05,150
same length as his shows like getting

1419
01:02:08,560 --> 01:02:06,800
towards one half two hours for most

1420
01:02:10,630 --> 01:02:08,570
episodes and they pull apart everything

1421
01:02:12,670 --> 01:02:10,640
he says and find the flaws in it and

1422
01:02:14,470 --> 01:02:12,680
find out where he may be originally got

1423
01:02:16,090 --> 01:02:14,480
his idea and how he's really only

1424
01:02:17,770 --> 01:02:16,100
reading half the first paragraph but

1425
01:02:20,560 --> 01:02:17,780
that idea that sort of thing comes up so

1426
01:02:23,080 --> 01:02:20,570
it's very much a niche thing you will

1427
01:02:24,610 --> 01:02:23,090
find it weird and strange and I

1428
01:02:26,200 --> 01:02:24,620
certainly would not recommend it to all

1429
01:02:28,210 --> 01:02:26,210
sceptic zone listeners but it certainly

1430
01:02:31,120 --> 01:02:28,220
is interesting to see where someone who

1431
01:02:33,640 --> 01:02:31,130
is a big screen radio performer like

1432
01:02:36,310 --> 01:02:33,650
Alex Jones is and just comes up with bat

1433
01:02:38,950 --> 01:02:36,320
crazy stuff where it sort of comes from

1434
01:02:40,180 --> 01:02:38,960
and and it's at times you just have to

1435
01:02:42,130 --> 01:02:40,190
stop listening because it's like you're

1436
01:02:43,510 --> 01:02:42,140
hearing a guy having a breakdown on air

1437
01:02:46,150 --> 01:02:43,520
but pretty much like you're hearing me

1438
01:02:48,460 --> 01:02:46,160
now so here in the corner where I am

1439
01:02:51,700 --> 01:02:48,470
this is the 90 section I'll just run my

1440
01:02:55,750 --> 01:02:51,710
fingernail across the rows that this is

1441
01:02:57,550 --> 01:02:55,760
just the 90s CD singles so we're only

1442
01:03:09,600 --> 01:02:57,560
talking about CD singles in the ten

1443
01:03:14,830 --> 01:03:12,480
almost finished

1444
01:03:15,850 --> 01:03:14,840
there you get on there this ones that

1445
01:03:20,460 --> 01:03:15,860
are in cases the ones that are in

1446
01:03:25,930 --> 01:03:23,350
yeah so there you go so this see you can

1447
01:03:27,670 --> 01:03:25,940
actually say you've heard my entire CD

1448
01:03:29,560 --> 01:03:27,680
library of 90 singles all in there

1449
01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:29,570
didn't take you too long house to point

1450
01:03:35,680 --> 01:03:33,010
out at random let's go what do we go

1451
01:03:37,630 --> 01:03:35,690
pitch shot boys doing their cover of

1452
01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:37,640
somewhere by Barbara Streisand a song

1453
01:03:41,800 --> 01:03:40,250
that I have been critical of in the past

1454
01:03:44,170 --> 01:03:41,810
but their version of it's a bit of a

1455
01:03:45,910 --> 01:03:44,180
banger I think that's pretty much all I

1456
01:03:47,830 --> 01:03:45,920
can count okay don't make it go here

1457
01:03:50,650 --> 01:03:47,840
look yeah these the the vinyl section

1458
01:03:53,620 --> 01:03:50,660
and that's the the reels beautiful album

1459
01:03:56,730 --> 01:03:53,630
from the 80s in which the reels made all

1460
01:03:58,930 --> 01:03:56,740
easy listening songs which of course has

1461
01:04:00,340 --> 01:03:58,940
this guy's in love with you was a Herb

1462
01:04:02,500 --> 01:04:00,350
Alpert song that was the single of it

1463
01:04:04,810 --> 01:04:02,510
and they do some easy listening versions

1464
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:04,820
off the era and behind that there is a

1465
01:04:09,820 --> 01:04:07,010
copy of the temptation album from Tony

1466
01:04:12,130 --> 01:04:09,830
barber who is a Australian quiz host who

1467
01:04:14,660 --> 01:04:12,140
made a few albums he's still around on

1468
01:04:16,580 --> 01:04:14,670
Facebook turning the

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01:04:18,980 --> 01:04:16,590
that'll do I've got a lot more I could

1470
01:04:21,590 --> 01:04:18,990
tell you about and stories to be had but

1471
01:04:23,870 --> 01:04:21,600
you know it is a 600 show and I am here

1472
01:04:26,030 --> 01:04:23,880
with Richard and all his friends why I

1473
01:04:28,430 --> 01:04:26,040
am here with the Richard Saunders

1474
01:04:29,930 --> 01:04:28,440
friends alone I'm just gonna find up

1475
01:04:31,790 --> 01:04:29,940
with those two balloons I've been doing

1476
01:04:44,220 --> 01:04:31,800
our bathroom come on hey you balloons

1477
01:04:48,790 --> 01:04:46,870
Brian from skeptoid here sort of the

1478
01:04:50,560 --> 01:04:48,800
gringo version of the skeptic zone for

1479
01:04:53,350 --> 01:04:50,570
those of you who haven't heard it found

1480
01:04:55,690 --> 01:04:53,360
at skeptoid dot-com to skeptical

1481
01:04:58,330 --> 01:04:55,700
podcasts both broadcasting for over a

1482
01:05:00,340 --> 01:04:58,340
decade both doing the same job from both

1483
01:05:01,930 --> 01:05:00,350
sides of the Pacific Ocean just as

1484
01:05:04,090 --> 01:05:01,940
skeptics guide to the universe and the

1485
01:05:05,680 --> 01:05:04,100
European skeptics podcast have both

1486
01:05:08,380 --> 01:05:05,690
sides of the Atlantic covered a

1487
01:05:10,690 --> 01:05:08,390
worldwide network of skeptical goodness

1488
01:05:13,300 --> 01:05:10,700
circling the round earth making it

1489
01:05:16,240 --> 01:05:13,310
smarter safer and better one podcast

1490
01:05:17,859 --> 01:05:16,250
episode at a time I first learned to the

1491
01:05:19,870 --> 01:05:17,869
skeptic zone a year or two after I

1492
01:05:22,090 --> 01:05:19,880
started skeptoid and have been listening

1493
01:05:23,470 --> 01:05:22,100
ever since it was hard to understand

1494
01:05:25,810 --> 01:05:23,480
because everyone on the show talked

1495
01:05:26,530 --> 01:05:25,820
funny and said things like crikey and

1496
01:05:29,080 --> 01:05:26,540
harue

1497
01:05:30,940 --> 01:05:29,090
and everything was upside down and on

1498
01:05:32,290 --> 01:05:30,950
the wrong side of the road and nobody

1499
01:05:34,150 --> 01:05:32,300
had ever heard of any of the animals

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01:05:36,010 --> 01:05:34,160
there but the important thing was that

1501
01:05:38,890 --> 01:05:36,020
there was critical thinking programming

1502
01:05:40,720 --> 01:05:38,900
in Australia scientific skepticism was

1503
01:05:43,450 --> 01:05:40,730
being well represented to the Aussie

1504
01:05:45,670 --> 01:05:43,460
podcast audience so despite being in an

1505
01:05:48,820 --> 01:05:45,680
incomprehensible foreign language the

1506
01:05:50,349 --> 01:05:48,830
skeptic zone is a win for everyone I've

1507
01:05:51,790 --> 01:05:50,359
been lucky enough to get to know Richard

1508
01:05:53,140 --> 01:05:51,800
pretty well over the years and he's even

1509
01:05:55,450 --> 01:05:53,150
been over to this side of the pond to

1510
01:05:56,859 --> 01:05:55,460
hang out more than a few times most

1511
01:05:58,599 --> 01:05:56,869
recently we've been hitting all the

1512
01:06:00,490 --> 01:05:58,609
local breweries here in Bend Oregon

1513
01:06:03,040 --> 01:06:00,500
where I live which is an open invitation

1514
01:06:05,980 --> 01:06:03,050
to all visiting sceptic zone listeners

1515
01:06:09,160 --> 01:06:05,990
and so more than a decade in however

1516
01:06:10,660 --> 01:06:09,170
many years it's a huge body of work 600

1517
01:06:12,970 --> 01:06:10,670
episodes I want to offer my

1518
01:06:15,190 --> 01:06:12,980
congratulations and my thanks to Richard

1519
01:06:18,070 --> 01:06:15,200
and all the many contributors to the

1520
01:06:19,870 --> 01:06:18,080
sceptic zone very few shows have those

1521
01:06:22,720 --> 01:06:19,880
kind of legs and the fact that it's

1522
01:06:25,300 --> 01:06:22,730
still growing after 600 shows is a

1523
01:06:26,670 --> 01:06:25,310
tribute to all of you the listeners so

1524
01:06:30,010 --> 01:06:26,680
you have my thanks and my

1525
01:06:32,080 --> 01:06:30,020
congratulations - so in conclusion I

1526
01:06:35,260 --> 01:06:32,090
tipped my glass of Pacific Northwest

1527
01:06:38,290 --> 01:06:35,270
hazy IPA to Richard Saunders - the

1528
01:06:41,090 --> 01:06:38,300
skeptic zone and to all of you this is

1529
01:06:48,100 --> 01:06:41,100
Brian Dunning from skeptoid dot-com

1530
01:06:51,670 --> 01:06:48,110
[Music]

1531
01:06:55,030 --> 01:06:51,680
ah Richard what a show what a show the

1532
01:06:55,600 --> 01:06:55,040
big six centuries 600 episodes what a

1533
01:06:58,930 --> 01:06:55,610
big one

1534
01:07:01,810 --> 01:06:58,940
that show was 600 episodes in the making

1535
01:07:03,370 --> 01:07:01,820
that's that's right that shows the show

1536
01:07:05,530 --> 01:07:03,380
just before the 600 and

1537
01:07:07,090 --> 01:07:05,540
oh yeah that's gonna next week will be a

1538
01:07:09,700 --> 01:07:07,100
big show we can have more logical

1539
01:07:11,860 --> 01:07:09,710
fallacies more Tim Mendham and probably

1540
01:07:14,890 --> 01:07:11,870
more news about the lockdown and more

1541
01:07:17,560 --> 01:07:14,900
wacky crazy conspiracy theories with the

1542
01:07:18,910 --> 01:07:17,570
virus and some wonderful products that

1543
01:07:20,770 --> 01:07:18,920
people create I mean we might even have

1544
01:07:24,420 --> 01:07:20,780
a chat with dr. Stepford so he might

1545
01:07:26,080 --> 01:07:24,430
come up with some sort of a corona

1546
01:07:29,590 --> 01:07:26,090
attenuation device

1547
01:07:32,380 --> 01:07:29,600
I think dr. Stephan circa for a while I

1548
01:07:34,540 --> 01:07:32,390
remember the 1 2 3 gut flush ah that was

1549
01:07:38,140 --> 01:07:34,550
a good one oh yes and the life wire of

1550
01:07:40,150 --> 01:07:38,150
course that that that sold tens Prince

1551
01:07:40,660 --> 01:07:40,160
Richard that was fantastic that was

1552
01:07:43,120 --> 01:07:40,670
fantastic

1553
01:07:45,700 --> 01:07:43,130
well Stefan now we have to brace

1554
01:07:47,170 --> 01:07:45,710
ourselves for the next 600 I think I

1555
01:07:48,340 --> 01:07:47,180
don't want to think about that too long

1556
01:07:51,250 --> 01:07:48,350
if I do the maths

1557
01:07:54,850 --> 01:07:51,260
I gotta end up to be quite an old guy I

1558
01:07:56,290 --> 01:07:54,860
think nearly hitting 70 I think it's

1559
01:07:58,570 --> 01:07:56,300
very good life it's been a good life

1560
01:08:01,180 --> 01:07:58,580
it's been a good life and again as

1561
01:08:03,070 --> 01:08:01,190
always we must thank our lovely

1562
01:08:04,690 --> 01:08:03,080
listeners out there and the patreon and

1563
01:08:07,780 --> 01:08:04,700
the paypal supporters who keep the show

1564
01:08:09,790 --> 01:08:07,790
going oh absolutely I know I don't spend

1565
01:08:11,770 --> 01:08:09,800
as much time engaging with the audience

1566
01:08:13,930 --> 01:08:11,780
as I used to there's a lot of other

1567
01:08:15,490 --> 01:08:13,940
things going on but like let's do it all

1568
01:08:17,080 --> 01:08:15,500
the time and you're on Facebook all the

1569
01:08:20,650 --> 01:08:17,090
time it's great stuff to stay in touch

1570
01:08:22,360 --> 01:08:20,660
and yeah what a great show Stefan great

1571
01:08:24,760 --> 01:08:22,370
to have you back on the show for this

1572
01:08:26,530 --> 01:08:24,770
special 600 episode hey can I do a

1573
01:08:28,510 --> 01:08:26,540
cross-promotion this is my excuse for

1574
01:08:32,170 --> 01:08:28,520
having not being as engaged as I used to

1575
01:08:34,210 --> 01:08:32,180
be I'm now producing the 3m science of

1576
01:08:37,570 --> 01:08:34,220
safety podcast with Mark Rhaegar's from

1577
01:08:39,670 --> 01:08:37,580
3m wow that's great yeah so it may be we

1578
01:08:42,250 --> 01:08:39,680
could put a link to it on on the skipped

1579
01:08:44,230 --> 01:08:42,260
exam website and absolutely where can

1580
01:08:45,910 --> 01:08:44,240
people check that out uh well it's on

1581
01:08:47,680 --> 01:08:45,920
the 3m website but I'll send you a link

1582
01:08:49,450 --> 01:08:47,690
and you can put on on the skeptic zone

1583
01:08:51,820 --> 01:08:49,460
but they were covering pandemic

1584
01:08:53,680 --> 01:08:51,830
preparedness last year and we've just

1585
01:08:55,120 --> 01:08:53,690
done a whole bunch of episodes on masks

1586
01:08:57,130 --> 01:08:55,130
and okay yeah I'll do that

1587
01:08:59,980 --> 01:08:57,140
cool yeah yeah so we're surviving we're

1588
01:09:01,640 --> 01:08:59,990
surviving lockdown but for this week

1589
01:09:03,680 --> 01:09:01,650
it's stefan cycle and rich

1590
01:09:10,160 --> 01:09:03,690
saunders signing off from sydney

1591
01:09:12,620 --> 01:09:10,170
australia lockdown you've been listening

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01:09:19,980 --> 01:09:12,630
to the skeptic zone visitor her web site